But I do have one question? Thank you for your answer. They represent different aspects of a relationship. I will look into it. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. Then we hurt each other. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). But, our composite chart is weird. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Is there nothing better to hope for? But thank you for helping me face reality. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. A very painful and challenging connection. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. WhiteLotus. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! He literally proposed to me the night we met. Thank you in advance. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. In this relationship, you tend to agree to a no-obligation arrangement from the start. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . Conjunct the composite 1st House cusp, it can be difficult to separate mutual fantasy from reality regarding the identity of the relationship. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. And I learned a lot too. Its part of me. I need help! He says what on thinking. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! Thank you for your insight. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. Unable to forget it? They have to learn to work togetherthats the challenge. Reply. Hey Dawn! I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. 13 . It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. It also works the other way. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). Whitelotus. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). Thank You so much for Your answer! Composite Sun in 1 st House. Thank you. Learn More. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. Illusions yes I know. He didnt want to commit/marry. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. Aquarius rising at 29 degrees. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. Your relationship usually starts out as a friendship or as "good friends". Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Similarly, the 4th house is used for Gemini, and information is extracted by reading it in the Natal charts. What is it that makes it work? Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . Beautiful article!! We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. We communicated telepathically and still do. You explain the ineffable. I have met my match. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. As a 8th house sun Virgo 8th Venus Leo I am sure this adds to my sexual nature. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. Venus in 12th House Man. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. Our composite sun is in the 7 house. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. I am NOT usually like this. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) Hello dawn we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. Its not special, its common. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Its weird weird weird . The south node lies there on the natal composite. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. VERY-VERY SORRY! I am a strong 12th houser myself and it meant so much to me that we could live together and I never felt my precious solitude was infringed upon. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. Thank you, Tricia. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. What do you think? Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). Together, they like to dive deeper and deeper into unknown and mysterious beliefs, cultures, territories, and ideas. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Thanks. It's a nightmare sometimes. Lilith in Synastry. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. They rip the rug from under you every other day. Most of it is illusions I know.. great post- thank you! RUN ? Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! Just endings in general. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) And what does it mean our 12th. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. I read your article and its really touching! The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. 1. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. IP . .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? They seem bonded before a word is spoken. Sun conj. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. We become real magicians if we can tap into it. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. IP: Logged. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. The fourth house is . in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. So beautifully written Dawn. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. Something is whispering in their ears. . Emotional Suppression. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. this is honestly so beautiful to read. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? Composite, Davison Chart . Thanks Dawn! There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. I am sufficiently haunted. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. intresting to know why its so bad. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. !! i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Could I ask Your opinion? Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. What of mother-daughter pairs? I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. along with Juno. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. It isnt bad, its difficult. Aghh! My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. They feel invisible or alone. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects?